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RE: DRV8711: DRV8711 ISGAIN Tolerance

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Hi Sheldon,

I have found some data to provide approximate die to die variations.

Gain Variation (%)
5 +/-5
10 +/-5
20 +/-10
40 +/-10

The gain varies approximately .008% per degree C.

Sorry this took so long.

DRV8711: DRV8711 ISGAIN Tolerance

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Part Number: DRV8711

Hi All,

There's no tolerance given on the DRV8711 datasheet for ISGAIN. Can anyone comment on what min/max values and tempco might be expected.

RE: No Communication

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Found the problem...It turned out to be a bad USB2ANY module. These modules seem to kind of flaky.

RE: DRV8701: DRV8701 Operation out of Spec Voltage

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Hi Mathew,
Your assumption is correct, aside from the rsense, you would have to be able to provide 70V-73.3V for the logic input, have FETs able to handle the 70V as the low side gate could see this and get damaged, to name a few things. Therefore, DRV8701 is not recommended for this case. What type of application are you needing this for? Maybe we can find a device that suits your application better. Thanks

RE: DRV595: Increasing power capability

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Hi Anders,

There is no problem in the graph of Rdson vs. Temperature in the datasheet.

There are two formula shown in the datasheet, they are used to caluculate the maximum ambient temperature. Let's take 4A output current as an example. From the graph of Rdson vs. Temperature in the datasheet, we know Rdson~=77mOhm with Tj=135 degC. We use Tj=135 degC here, because the OT trip point is 150°C with ±15°C tolerance.Then Pdiss~=1.232W, and the power dissipated in the packge is around 2.5W (H-bridge). Note that this number is only the heat loss on Rdson, not including the loss on the bonding wires, the loss on the package lead and so on. Then Ta=135-(22*2.5)=80 degC. If counting the other power loss in the package, the maximum ambient temperature should be a little lower.  

Best regards,

Shawn Zheng

RE: DRV8830: VIH for I2C line

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Hi Rick-san,

Thank you for the explanation.
Regarding your answer, I understood as follows. Please confirm whether my recognition is correct.

- To guarantee DRV8830 to communicate correctly, the device input requires below voltage.
  - High input : Must be higher than 0.5 x VCC. (i.e. when VCC=6V, input must be higher than 3.0V to guarantee operation.)
  - Low input : Must be lower than 0.25 x VCC.(i.e. when VCC=6V, input must be lower than 1.5V to guarantee operation.)

It seems the datasheet description is not a general way to specify the VIL/VIH spec. It is very confusing. I believe that normally, VIL spec has TYP/MAX value and VIH has MIN/TYP value specified.

Or, it is easier for me to understand if the parameter is "Input High Voltage Threshold" instead of "Input High Voltage"

Best Regards,

Kawai

RE: DRV8312: DRV8312 about the coil voltage control

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Hi Luis,

OK. Thank you for your reply.

RE: DRV595: Increasing power capability

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Hi Shawn!
Thanks for your prompt reply.
I double checked so that I had the same datasheets as on the web, SLOS808A –DECEMBER 2012–REVISED MARCH 2013
Typical charactersitics Figure 4 rDS(on) - Drain-Source On-State Resistance mΩ vs TA - Ambient Temperature - °C.
From your information I understand that this typical charactersitics is for Tj instead of ambient, Rdson~=77mOhm with Tj=135 degC.
This solvs the contradition that I mentioned earlier and the data sheet heading is wrong.
Then back to my original resoning applying the 135degC instead of 150 degC.
Based on the thermal resistance JA 22 deg/W, 85 degC environment and now the thermal trip point 135 degC I get a dissipation of 2.27W in the device and a total resistance of 0.14mohms based on the 4A.
From you figure 4( now Tj instead of Ta) rdson is 77mOhms at 135 degC gives as you stated above ~=1.2W. Then other dissipations are ~= 1W meaning and additional series resistance of 62mohms at 4A.
Now it all comes together since total resistance is about 0.14ohms.

In my case we will have 40 degC ambient and therefore with the trip point at 135degC, power consumption in the device~=4.3W in the device. This seams rather high.
This in turn leads to that the possible current now is sqrt(4.3/0.14)~= 5.5A
Does it seem resonable?

From the data sheet there is also the thermal characterisation parameters. Based on the temperature measurements that I have done so far and using the thermal characterisation figure PHIjt for calculations I get unresonable high power dissipations.

I think I will apply the approach that I increase the current until the thermal trip point. I assume that this then is 135degC and use that as an understanding on how much margin I will have in the design.
Is it possible for thermal characterisation purposes to get hold of devices which have a thermal trippoint of 135 degC?

RE: DRV8701: DRV8701 Operation out of Spec Voltage

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Hi Luis,

I wanted to try to apply this to a 90V DC motor as they are the most readily available 1/2 to 1 HP motor.

As a side note I have a DRV8701 w/ a 24V motor running but I have a few questions if you don't mind me asking. If you'd like me to start a different thread I can!

Thanks
Mat

RE: DRV595: Increasing power capability

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Hi Anders,
As I described above, two transistors are seried in the output circuit, and your need to use 2*Rdson in the total power dissapation calculation because of the H-bridge structure.
Best regards,
Shawn Zheng

RE: DRV8830: VIH for I2C line

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Hi Kawai-san,

  - High input : Must be higher than 0.5 x VCC. (i.e. when VCC=6V, input must be higher than 3.0V to guarantee operation.)
  - Low input : Must be lower than 0.25 x VCC. (i.e. when VCC=6V, input must be lower than 1.5V to guarantee operation.)

Your statements above are correct.

Thank you for your comments. We will add this to the list of future datasheet updates to remove this confusion.

RE: p channel and n channel Mosfet + driver

RE: DRV8701: DRV8701 Operation out of Spec Voltage

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Hi Mathew,

Yes, please do, the title of this thread could be misleading to the new content. Thank you very much.

RE: DRV8312: DRV8312 about the coil voltage control

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You are very welcome Mickey. Let us know if we can assist you further.

DRV8701: Vref Adjustment based on motor size

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Part Number: DRV8701

Hi,

I have a product that is to use the DRV8701E for many different applications and different motor ratings.  I have a fixed sense resistor of 0.005 Ohms that I calculated for the maximum Ichop of 50 A. 

 

Ichop = (Vref-Voff) / (Av x Rsense) assuming I want a 50A max, 5V microcontroller, Av is 20 and Voff is about 10mV, I find that Rsense is 0.005 Ω (@ 5 Watts).

 

I have 3 different motors I’m using this design on @ 31 Volts (Bridge rectified AC), with a software adjustable Vref.

 

  1. 24 V, 4.8 A  about 115 watt motor
  2. 24V, 6.7 A about 160 Watt Motor
  3. 24V, 24.5 A about 588 Watt Motor

 

So I was under the assumption I could use the Vref to limit the maximum current of the motor and prevent damage to the MOSFETs.

I made a table and graph of all the different software to voltage values that I’ve included with this data.

If I use the 588W Motor @ 31V I should expect a max current of 18.9A.  This gives me a Vref of 1.91 & a PWM setting of 96/255.  This motor runs fine and has a slight increase as it should.  The 115 watt motor runs fine as well when set to the correct Vref.

 

The problem is the 160 Watt Motor I’m using should have a Vref of 0.54 V.  This gives me a PWM setting of 26/255.  The motor is in a screw drive reducer but fails to run, being limited at this value of Vref.  Even if I set Vref to 96/255 like the large motor it still fails to run.  If I set it around 150/255 ~ 3 volts I can just get it to run!

 

So what I’m gathering is that Vref doesn’t seem to be an Average current cutoff but it’s only an instantaneous value, is this correct?  This makes me afraid of the 588 W motor under load as well (but it will draw 10A with the correct Vref Setting)

Any additional information you would like I will happily provide.

 

Thank you,

Mat

 


RE: DRV595: Increasing power capability

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Hi Shawn!
Clear.
The only thing that remains is your confirmation on that the datasheet heading typical elecrical characterstics figure 4 needs to be updated, junction temperature instead of ambient temperature.

RE: DRV595: Increasing power capability

RE: DRV8701: Vref Adjustment based on motor size

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Hi Rick,

This does appear to be the case for the output voltage as expected.  So I get that the Vref is cutting it off, but why would the instantaneous current be so high?  I understand that if you look at the time it takes for a MOSFET to go from 0V-30V there is a small period of extremely high current, but I'm not sure why this would affect this motor and not the one that's over triple it's size!

Thank you,

Mat

RE: DRV 10983 EVM

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Seil,

 

Please excuse me for delayed response.

 

May I know where is the option to disable close loop current ? I checked the GUI and did not find

any. Please let me know.

 

Cheers,

 

Jayant Arora


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RE: DRV10983: Speed control between Analog input and PWM

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Hi Matsumoto-san,

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